The latest stunt by the government proves that the squeakiest wheel gets the oil, because those whinging groaning so called farmers up in the high country have got the government to grease up its butt crack by announcing a bounty on wild dogs.
We accept that wild dogs are a problem for farmers and the pure dingo but this bounty will only place more pressure on the survival of the pure dingo.
It would take 20,000 dingoes and wild dogs to use the one million dollars which the government is offering; this would mean the pure dingo would become extinct.
Luckily the bounty is also opened to the taking of foxes, which hopefully will take the largest portion of the bounty’s blood money.
I have included here a couple of not so nice photos; these images were taken after the bounty was introduced, in one of these images you can see the novel way these farmers have to stop the wild dogs entering their property. They believe if you hang enough dingoes up on their fences it will stop the wild dog from entering their property, instead of building proper wild dog fences that really do stop wild dogs breaching their boundaries.
The second image shows what these farmers are capable of doing by ripping off the skin along the back of the dog to get their $50. These are the same farmers who say they cry themselves to sleep every night worrying about dog attack.
17 comments:
I am a farmer, and as such i kill wild dogs on a regular basis. One point i must raise is that you say you want to protect the dingo but your posted photos show NO actual dingoes. Those animals are wild dogs which have cross-bred with dingoes. I have never shot a purebred dingo, as i beleive in my area (South east qld) there are none left due to them being crossbred out. I understand your view on baiting but i must admit we have been forced to resort to it due to the massive amount of wild dogs on our property. (traditional dingo breeds once per year, crossbreeding them enables them to breed up to 3 times with larger more resillient litters) Dingo proofing an entire property would cost an absolute fortune and the suggestion of doing so is ridiculous. We used to farm deer and despite having 12FT fences which were solid mesh from top to bottom, dogs would dig under and kill upto 12 deer in a night. Their kills were purely for fun as they did not eat what they killed. The area fenced was only 50 acres, so fencing the other 25000 acres and trying to keep it maintained against dog intrusion would be absolutely impossible. I agree with preserving the natural australian dingo, but beleive me stopping the baiting and killing of wild dogs will not see the natural aussie dingo survive - rather it will be replaced by a multitude of cross-bred wild dogs capable of destroying much more than they were ever intended to.
In life most of us can’t help being what we are and if you are a dingo killer that’s what you will take to your grave. It’s no point for me calling you names or to rant and rave, like many farmers do on this subject because I can not change your understanding, it’s up to you.
I must answer some of your assertions, you state that “I have never shot a purebred dingo” how can you tell, it cost me over $100 to have DNA tests done to determine the purity of a dingo, you simply cant tell by just looking at them, I have seen hybrids look more like a dingo than the real thing but a DNA test have shown a different result. Now for the photos, you say “NO actual dingoes” I agree that nearly all of the canines, hanging on the fence as some form of pagan ritual, are not dingoes but there is one, without a test to confirm its purity, might be a dingo. Here in Victoria the farmers have done a good job of reducing dingo numbers down to about 5 – 6 % of what they once where. The dingo has been nominated in Victoria for listing under the flora and fauna guarantee act, it sits in front of the Minster to be signed off, but the power of the farming lobby and the federal election is probably stalling the Minster’s discission.
The breeding cycle for a dingo is only once a year, so if you are seeing 3 litters per year it would indicate to me that you do have dingoes as these would be out of sync with the hybrids breeding twice a year. Simply crossbreeding would not alter the genes to enable them to breed three times a year.
You also say that you poison your property but didn’t say if you have lost any of your dogs screaming in pain from taking one of the baits, My personal feeling is that anybody who could say that they don’t feel remorse when they see a dog suffering from 1080 poison is of a state of mental instability and should be locked up.
You mention about your deer fence, this fence was to keep the deer in not to keep the dingoes out. There are other methods that could have been incorporated to stop you loosing 12 deer a night for instance introducing Maremma dogs to guard your deer as a fellow Queenslander has done (follow this link to read his story http://www.abc.net.au/rural/content/2006/s1580037.htm ) this method could also be used for the rest of the 25000 acres.
You might agree with preserving the dingo but it takes people like us (Dingo Warrior and other groups) to actually try and do it. The old myth of we must poison the wild dog to preserve the dingo doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because a well establish dingo family with its territory would defend it against any intruders but when narrow minded people throw out baits from planes with no methodology in preserving the dingo and destroy the hierarchy of the group which then allows the wild dogs to take over the territory.
Australian needs an apex predator other than the farmer, the next comment is not direct at you “Anonymous” but to all of Queensland,
How can you destroy a native animal, calling it feral, not allowing to people to keep it and must be destroyed when Queensland has splurge a pestilent far more hideous upon the rest of Australia, the cane toad which is not class as a pest animal in Queensland.
Dingo screaming,
Ok so I am a dingo killer, but i am also a farmer and we have to do what we can to protect our stock from dog attack. It is difficult to gauge the pain level but seeing a young calf trying to recover after a dingo attack seems far worse than any suffering due to poision - that said baiting doesn't make you feel like a saint. I have had experience with maremma dogs (our neigbours trialled them) and in the end instincts took over and they turned on the deer so yes i have seen it work but i have also seen it fail with terrible consequences.
Farmers don't have an endless budget to spend on protecting stock from dingoes let alone the other diseases/illnesses/droughts that come along, so generally the cheapest and most effective method will win out, i know you won't like this comment but it is true throughout almost all business in the modern era.
That said, i do not support throwing baits from a plane. Most farmers (in my area anyway) realise that dingoes are territorial and removing one dog will see it replaced with another. Generally if we have a problem dog in a particular area we will bait/hunt it to eradicate it and have it replaced by another dog which is hopefully not as vicious. So most farmers (that i know) do not go out to eradicate every living dog on their property, rather just the ones in problem areas.
I just want to make it known that not all farmers are rednecks who are all about killing any animal that crosses onto their property. In the end i would hope that common sense is used to see that baiting randomly from a plane is both detrimental to native dogs and farming.
David
I have not and will never lose any of my dogs to baits.
what the hell is wrong with you
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anonymous i am with you mate i have seen farmers brought to their knees from this 'beautiful native species' and as far as i can tell this dingo screaming organisation,website whatever they call themselves have a lot to learn about production and protection of livestock and no matter what think about the situation'not being a problem and there always being a way to fix it'.... thats where i come in because people pay me to shoot dingoes off their property and i make a comfortable living from that and other forms of pest eradication and harvesting most of which are native. so yes indeed i am also a dingo killer, and rest assured i WILL sleep at night because every time i let off a shot i know i have jujst made it easier for a farmer who IS living the rural life not just pretending in a laboratory, pull your heads in
tyrone
Hi Tyrone, check out the home page
actually these animal traps you have shown photos are not even designed to catch kangaroos.... you may wish to do some further research into that.... these are called spear traps and are much more effective in the capture of wild scrub cattle which ill have you know are also a pest to the farmer, while i have never set one up or directly had anything to do with these they catch many more scrub bulls than kangaroos from what i have seen in over 30 years on the land, the images you have shown on your home page could have any explanation as the landholders which i have seen use the spear trap check it on a daily basis and either let the kangaroos go or kill them in a humane way, while you portray me as a monster who takes pride in watching the suffering of these innocent animals, i will have you know that with me as with many others it is always a humane kill from an adequate calibre rifle such as a 223, 243 or 22.250. Native wildlife harvesters and native and foreign pest controllers who are properly ticketed in what they do are required to undertake an accuracy test on accreditation that they can shoot accurately enough to make the kill humane. i speak for the professional community of shooters and not uneducated shooters who shouldnt legally even have possession of a firearm. this said i think your accusations and incinuations of cruelty and inherent suffering caused by the shooter (me) are unfair and absolutely not true. While i do remove any unwanted pests from farms humanely and lawfully i have never shown cruelty to any type of animal and even on the subject of baits which were mentioned in earlier posts while i see them as the farmers choice and possibly even needed for farmers not in a position to shoot or hire a shooter, they arent what i do and i strongly discourage their use
tyrone
You might be right Tyrone these traps are not specifically made for capturing kangaroos but wrong about scrub bulls, south of the dingo fence in sheep country.
This trapped was used to capture goats; the perpetrator who did this act collected the goats and left the roos to die a slow death. Examination of skeletal remains showed no evidence of quick death by firearm, only exhaustion from starvation.
While you say I portrayed you as a monster, I personally don’t know you; I only know your trade and the horrid stories from it. For example, how doggers would set trap lines which take about three days to go round, they would not apply a strip of cloth with poison to kill the captured animals quickly and somewhat humanly because the poison with the hot outback sun would destroy the quality of the pelt, thus affecting the scalp and maybe their bounty. This is why, I tar you people all with the same brush and the attack was not personal but you did say how you could sleep well after killing dingoes and not to mention that you told me to pull my head in!
the reason i told you to pull your head in was the way you attacked anonymous farmer trying to make him feel guilty about what he does to protect his stock, while i dont agree with his use of baits he was doing all he felt he could do. On to the spear traps.... where i am from in south western queensland and north of us also the northern territory scrub bulls and brumbies are the target for these spear traps, what their use is down south you corrected me by informing me they are used for goats....still an introduced pest, the images you have shown on the website i believe is outrageous and people should have a good look at it because it shows what can happen should the spear trap be used irresponsibly. The aim is to catch the problem, relocate or humanely kill it, and hamanely kill or release any other animals who found their way into the trap, checked on a daily basis and proper disposal of its contents these are a simple solution to a lot of landholders pest problems and i believe should continue to be used in australia, the owners of the spear traps in your photographs SHOULD be hung drawn and quartered for their irresponsibility. I will continue to post on this site as i believe we can offer people a look at what you are doing, what i am doing and the absolute wrong way of going about things(the kangaroos in the spear trap) i hope through my answering your posts you have been able to understand that the PROFESSIONAL margin of my industry while are still doing something you dont like it is getting done professionally and there is no animal suffering involved and maybe we can make farmers see that doing it themselves and having suffering animals IS a cheap copout and maybe they would be more suited to calling a professional like myself instead and removing the problem dogs and not killing everything with 1080 poison. While you dont like my profession i do applaud what you are doing because believe it or not i too do enjoy the native fauna but i also being from a rural background see the need for some control and problem removal, i would ask that perhaps you revise what you have written about me being a dingo blood drinker and eater and perhaps you could trade my industry off as more humane than the use of 1080. You could still express your disgust in the industry but now i am starting to see what you are about and perhaps you could see that done by a profesional controller these animals do not and cannot suffer
tyrone
As an organisation with a vested interest in saving the dingo, we have come across a lot of weird and demented people in the past. We tend to apply the same label to all of these people who attack us for doing this cause and may write in a strong manner. The reference to you drinking blood and eating dingo was a metaphor because you make a living killing dingoes and with that money you buy your food and grog. I have added a footnote to the story and have left your name there so people can track your inputs through the comments and the blog to get the whole story.
I came to this site looking for alternatives to baiting the dingoes that attack my dog and kill my goats. Unfortunately, you haven't posted any useful information. No alternatives that would suit my environment. I think it would be positively cruel to bring a maremma (snow dog) to such a hot place as this. Do you have any more suggestions? Different breeds of dogs that would be effective in protection from dingoes? A fence like trap design so I could call environmental protection agency to come and relocate them?
While this blog may lack alternatives to poison, its main purpose is to bring to the attention of the caring general public the plight of the dingo and its daily strive for survival.
It is funny how we look at ours lives in Australia, after a shark attack that kills a human, we come up with statements like “when we enter the water we do it at our own peril as it is their territory”, yet when we introduce non- native ungulates into the territory of the dingo, statements change to “they are vermin (dingoes) and should be removed from the landscape of Australia”, is a human life worth less than a ungulates? don’t figure.
While I agree with you about maremmas in the arid zone, there is a place for them in the cooler high country in the south-east of the continent. This is if they are desexed; we don’t want them to breed with the hybrids.
I am glad to see that you are trying to find an alternative to the cruel methods of control, such as poisoning and steel jaw trapping. There are a lot of passive methods that can be sourced on the web but most are for the grey wolf of North America but still worth a try, as both dingo and grey wolf fill the same niche in their respective environments.
Guard animals such as donkeys may be a help and I have placed a link that may be useful for you.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/sheep/facts/donkey2.htm
There is also a method called fladry, which is tying ribbons and flags along the fence line which will flap in the wind, deterring wolves from crossing the fence-line. Fladry lines have been used for several centuries (Wikipedia). You may try also items like
sensor activated lights, strobes or alarms, pocket radios along the fence lines, wind
chimes but these must changed on a regular basis, as familiarity will lead to a break down in defence when the predators realises that there is no danger with them.
Dingoes like all wild animals that have not habituated with humans would rather flee than to fight, (unless they are protecting something). You can use this to your advantage, which will work in most cases but don’t be discouraged if it doesn’t work all the time. For example, I was in communiqué with a farmer who had built a wild dog proof fence around his paddock to protect his stock, only to say that dog proof fences don’t work because one night a dog entered and killed some of his stock. He could not see that for the other fifty one weeks of the year it had kept out other dingoes.
Like you, I too have a problem with dingoes. I now have ringtail possums that have just moved into my roof, so now, I have been researching on how to make my yard more secure and to protect them (the possums from my dingoes), as dingoes never loose there hunting instinct, you just have to work around them.
We can all live with nature we just have to figure out HOW.
I agree with what you are saying, don't kill the dingoes.
Yet hybrid dog-dingo breeds are not an Australian icon, are not natural, and are killing the pure bred dingoes!
If the hybrids don't get culled, the only risk to pure bred dingoes is not humans, it is infact the hybrids.
If they are not culled, the pure dingo species will be istinct by the end of the 21st century.
Which do you prefer, hybrid dangerous dingo/feral domestic dogs, or our pure bred dingoes?
I agree with what you are saying, don't kill the dingoes.
Yet hybrid dog-dingo breeds are not an Australian icon, are not natural, and are killing the pure bred dingoes!
If the hybrids don't get culled, the only risk to pure bred dingoes is not humans, it is infact the hybrids.
If they are not culled, the pure dingo species will be istinct by the end of the 21st century.
Which do you prefer, hybrid dangerous dingo/feral domestic dogs, or our pure bred dingoes?
Mate your an absloute joke!
arrogant city sliker that knows nothing and you have such a narrow mind you can't lern anything
go hug a tree or deepthrot a pinecone
i'll be getting somebody to hack this sight and remove it from the net
you people are filth
scum of the earth go rot in a hole
Everybody is free to make their own comments but they must remember that I am free to reply.
There is one thing that I hate is when people pick apart comments because of spelling mistakes but I need to know what level of communication skills you have. There are 4 spelling mistakes, mean syllables of 1.2 per word and mean characters of only 4.04 per word. Hmmm, I will need to keep my comments pellucid.
To start with the first line, I am not your mate, as we are not copulating animals or any of the other acceptation.
You called me an “arrogant city sliker[sic]” you don’t know where I live, there are many rural folk that appreciate the environment and help protect all the key elements that will keep it functioning. I don’t know why you have an “us and them” attitude because all of us share Australia together. We all have a responsibility to look after this continent and all the species with in it, so future generations of Australians can enjoy what you have today.
You try to use a derogatory reference of hugging trees, did you know it was simple country people that started it off back in the early 70’s . Yep it’s hard to believe, rural folk out there protecting the environment from the big city companies. Don’t believe me, well Google “Chikop movement”.
Tell me, why do you call people filth, is it just because they do not believe in your ideological views. Everybody should have the freedom to reverberate their views without the fascist minority, in this case, the ignorant farming/rural lobby trying to intimidate well meaning people to keep silent about the barbarism which is being inflicted on Australia’s wonderful environment.
About rotting in a hole; well that a fate is for all us, when putrefaction takes hold unless you are toasted in a crematorium.
One final comment about hacking the blog, do you think that when you signed your name as anonymous we could not find you; well your ip address has been logged and reported to the authorities.
May be one day we could be friends or am I being too facetious?
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